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Paul Nakasone arrives for a closed-door hearing in the U.S. Capitol Visitors Center in 2023. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla\/Getty Images) <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"single-article__content\">\n<div class=\"single-article__content-inner has-drop-cap\"> <html readability=\"50.559044048735\"><body readability=\"108.51939147204\"><\/p>\n<p>The United States is falling \u201cincreasingly behind\u201d its adversaries in cyberspace, a former Cyber Command and National Security Agency boss said Saturday.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking at the DistrictCon cybersecurity conference in Washington, D.C., retired Gen. Paul Nakasone said that \u201cour adversaries are continuing to be able to broaden the spectrum of what they\u2019re able to do to us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Nakasone said incidents like Chinese government-backed breaches of <a href=\"https:\/\/cyberscoop.com\/salt-typhoon-telecom-breach-remarkable-for-its-indiscriminate-targeting-fbi-official-says\/\">U.S. telecommunications companies<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cisa.gov\/news-events\/cybersecurity-advisories\/aa24-038a\">other critical infrastructure<\/a> \u2014 as well as a steady drumbeat of ransomware attacks against U.S. targets \u2014 illustrate \u201cthe fact that we\u2019re unable to secure our networks, the fact that we\u2019re unable to leverage the software that\u2019s being provided today, the fact that we have adversaries that continue to maintain this capability.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Nakasone, who led NSA and CYBERCOM from 2018 until early last year and is now founding director of Vanderbilt University\u2019s Institute for National Defense and Global Security, said he fears the threats of the future are only going to get more dangerous.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad ad--inline_1 \">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\"> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Advertisement<\/span> <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>One example is \u201cwe are starting to see the beginnings of the bleed from the non-kinetic to the kinetic for cyber operations,\u201d he said, referring to actual physical damage. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat\u2019s next is that we are going to see cyberattacks against a series of platforms being able to actually down platforms with ones and zeros,\u201d Nakasone said. <\/p>\n<p>A board member for OpenAI, Nakasone also talked about how artificial intelligence could make cyber offense more potent. Specifically, he mentioned the notion of generative targeting, such as the idea of physical drones choosing their targets powered by AI.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re starting to challenge this idea of humans in the middle of the loop, and I also offer to you as we think about artificial intelligence models, think about cyber weaponry,\u201d he said. \u201cHow far are we talking to this idea of being able to create an agent that\u2019s going to move through your network, that\u2019s going to change based upon topology in the network, being able to evade the defenses that are there, choosing targets of the future?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Members of the Trump administration, and some members from both parties in Congress, have called for the United States to <a href=\"https:\/\/cyberscoop.com\/aggressive-cyber-offense-trump-administration-us-strategy-debate\/\">get more aggressive<\/a> with offensive operations in cyberspace. In a separate conversation with reporters, Nakasone said he agreed with those sentiments.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad ad--inline_1 \">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\"> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Advertisement<\/span> <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Nakasone\u2019s Cyber Command <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/national-security\/2022\/12\/22\/cybercom-russia-iran-attacks\/\">conducted operations<\/a> dating back to at least 2018 to disrupt Iranian and Russian hackers in conjunction with more defensive <a href=\"https:\/\/cyberscoop.com\/tag\/hunt-forward-operations\/\">\u201chunt forward\u201d<\/a> missions in other nations designed to fortify allies\u2019 defenses and detect future threats against the United States. He also advocated for a philosophy of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cybercom.mil\/Media\/News\/Article\/3198878\/cyber-101-defend-forward-and-persistent-engagement\/\">\u201cpersistent engagement\u201d<\/a> \u2014 to be in constant contact with cyber enemies, proactively rather than reactively.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe need to do more of that, certainly,\u201d Nakasone said of offensive operations. \u201cIt\u2019s not just the only thing we need.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>One of the points of persistent engagement was to ensure anyone who attacked U.S. election infrastructure knew they would suffer consequences from the United States, he said. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cCan we be more forthcoming in terms of some of the things we did?\u201d Nakasone said. \u201cYeah, I think there is opportunity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In his speech, Nakasone said the top priority for the United States should be hiring top talent. Under President Donald Trump, the government has been removing some of those who were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/newsletters\/weekly-cybersecurity\/2025\/02\/18\/trumps-workforce-blitz-comes-for-cisa-00204634\">in the cyber talent pipeline<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad ad--inline_1 \">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\"> <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Advertisement<\/span> <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Eventually, \u201cwe\u2019re going to have to be able to engage folks again and say, \u2018Hey, please come and work in government,\u2019\u201d Nakasone said. It\u2019s an open question how long any damage to the trust of potential hires will last, he said.<\/p>\n<p>Another change under Trump is that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has <a href=\"https:\/\/therecord.media\/hegseth-cyber-command-2-0-review-authorities-wish-list\">reportedly sped up<\/a> the implementation of a Cyber Command overhaul, from 180 days to 45 days.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow doable is it? It\u2019s really doable when you get that direction from the secretary,\u201d Nakasone said in response to a question from CyberScoop. Asked if he was worried about whether the tightened timeline would lead to that implementation suffering, Nakasone answered only that the concepts of <a href=\"https:\/\/defensescoop.com\/2025\/02\/20\/cybercom-wants-more-consistent-readiness-approach-across-services\/\">Cyber Command 2.0 have been in the works<\/a> for a while already.<\/p>\n<p>During a question-and-answer session with the DistrictCon audience, Nakasone also didn\u2019t voice any criticisms of Trump\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/defensescoop.com\/2025\/02\/21\/trump-fires-gen-brown-chairman-joint-chiefs-nominating-dan-caine\/\">purge of top military officials<\/a>, such as Gen. Charles \u201cCQ\u201d Q. Brown, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAt the end of the day, the president gets to choose his own principal military adviser,\u201d he said, while praising Brown.<\/p>\n<p><\/body> <\/p>\n<footer class=\"single-article__footer\">\n<div class=\"author-card\" readability=\"7.7216117216117\">\n<div class=\"author-card__avatar\">\n<figure class=\"author-card__image-wrap\"> <img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"author-card__image\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ddi.mohflo.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/former-nsa-cyber-command-chief-paul-nakasone-says-u-s-falling-behind-its-enemies-in-cyberspace-1.jpg?w=640&ssl=1\" alt=\"Tim Starks\"> <\/figure>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-card__details\" readability=\"10.901098901099\">\n<h4 class=\"author-card__name\">Written by Tim Starks<\/h4>\n<p> Tim Starks is senior reporter at CyberScoop. His previous stops include working at The Washington Post, POLITICO and Congressional Quarterly. 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{"id":7388,"date":"2025-02-22T13:34:41","date_gmt":"2025-02-22T19:34:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cyberscoop.com\/?p=83575"},"modified":"2025-02-22T13:34:41","modified_gmt":"2025-02-22T19:34:41","slug":"former-nsa-cyber-command-chief-paul-nakasone-says-u-s-falling-behind-its-enemies-in-cyberspace","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ddi.mohflo.net\/index.php\/2025\/02\/22\/former-nsa-cyber-command-chief-paul-nakasone-says-u-s-falling-behind-its-enemies-in-cyberspace\/","title":{"rendered":"Former NSA, Cyber Command chief Paul Nakasone says U.S. falling behind its enemies in cyberspace"},"content":{"rendered":"